tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2214911996443844495.post1181474623445810239..comments2023-10-24T03:35:13.743-07:00Comments on Biblical Proportions: Searching Issues: What is the Christian Attitude Towards Homosexuality?Timothy Carterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08982874914735092331noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2214911996443844495.post-64492261701315084732012-04-11T21:32:30.108-07:002012-04-11T21:32:30.108-07:00Thank you for your comments and blessings, Matthew...Thank you for your comments and blessings, Matthew! I'm delighted to entertain all points of view. I do, however, have a few problems with the few problems you have with my argument.<br /><br />You say that, when a person first realizes they are gay, it can be a struggle coming to terms with it. I agree. And I would suggest that the reason it can be such a struggle for those who have just realized they are gay is largely due to all the religious people telling them that being gay is evil.<br /><br />Plus, I said that I doubted that many "in the gay community" struggle with their orientation on a daily basis. The word 'community' here suggests those who have already come to terms with their orientation, not those just realizing it.<br /><br />As to your second point, you say that simply not participating in homosexual behaviour isn't pretending not to be gay. Whoa, a lot of negatives in that sentence. Let me take another crack at it...<br /><br />If a gay person doesn't have sex with a person of the same sex, he is in the clear (scripturally speaking) and need not pretend anything. No, they just have to ignore a very basic part of who they are. Which is a lot like pretending not to be who they are, isn't it? It may not be exactly pretending, but that's really just an apples and oranges argument that attacks my word choices rather than the point I was making. I could do the same to you and ask how one can be openly gay without acting on it.<br /><br />Besides, I really don't care what scripture says. I'm a secular person, Matthew. If you want to sway me to a different point of view, you have to do more than just refer to a book written 2000 years ago when people thought the Earth was flat. And speaking of the past...<br /><br />Back in 1955, doctors still thought being gay was a medical condition. Today's doctors know better, just as today's scientists know about the Earth's roundness. A study based on 1950's knowledge doesn't carry nearly as much weight as something with today's knowledge. Yes, those 14 gay people were released after the doctors of that era determined their gayness had been cured. I suppose I can't prove that those 14 people weren't completely converted to heterosexuality; you have me there, Matthew. I would suggest, however, that since we know being gay isn't something that can be cured, that data from 1955 needs to be given another look.<br /><br />I don't mean to be rude, Matthew, but your fourth point is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. We should believe what this one Christian claims to have done because all of Christianity is based on faith... seriously, that's your argument? There are so many things wrong with that statement of yours, Matthew. I'm letting that one go.<br /><br />Judging by your last point, you clearly didn't take in what I was saying at all. My point was that... oh, never mind. My explaining it isn't going to help.<br /><br />I appreciate feedback, Matthew, yours included. What I don't appreciate are arguments from someone who either didn't understand what I was really saying or intentionally misinterpreted what I did say for the sole purpose of scoring points.<br /><br />Oh, and I was converted by your god. Several times. It didn't take.Timothy Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982874914735092331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2214911996443844495.post-38304535419663951232011-06-23T06:16:12.506-07:002011-06-23T06:16:12.506-07:00There are a few problems with your argument Timoth...There are a few problems with your argument Timothy. Firstly, you said that you doubted that many gay people found their sexual orientation a "daily struggle". You are forgeting that when a gay person realises they are gay, it can be a difficult struggle and some may not want to come to terms with the fact they are gay, so it is a struggle. Secondly, one can also be gay, and openly gay, but they do not have to act on this. Therefore they will not "pretend not to be" but will simply not participate in homosexual behaviour, which Scripture says is wrong. Thirdly, although 14 gay people were "released" in 1955, despite not being recent, it still happened. The fact that they were released is what is important. Fourthly, you seem suprised about having to have faith in Nicky to believe his story of how he converted some gay men, when the whole concept of Christianity is about faith. Lastly, "it is wrong to ordain unrepentant, practicing homosexuals into Christian leadership" because of what Nicky mentioned earlier, how Scripture says that homosexual practice is wrong. Therefore Christians can accept gay people, because it is the homosexual behaviour that is shown to be wrong. However, I hope and pray that God will reveal Himself to you and show you the truth, so you might be converted as well. God bless you Timothy.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2214911996443844495.post-47769224390484999722010-01-15T11:16:35.181-08:002010-01-15T11:16:35.181-08:00OpaHmar, glad to hear you were 'tactful' w...OpaHmar, glad to hear you were 'tactful' with your friend. What's this stand you feel you have to make? And regardless of what 'the WORD' says, is it ever necessary to get in the way of someone's happiness and identity?<br /><br />DiTHL, I'm delighted to hear I've had an influence on your assignment and on your general well-being. And I'm always happy to find more Transformers fans! Please keep reading.Timothy Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982874914735092331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2214911996443844495.post-51412074280179304122009-08-17T00:24:31.714-07:002009-08-17T00:24:31.714-07:00This has given me much insight to the mind of a re...This has given me much insight to the mind of a religios novelist and their subtle ways of influencing your judgement. I have cited many of your quotes for my assignment and they will play a large role in my arguments on this exact topic. I, myself am bisexual but also quite religious, so this helped me personally aswell.<br />Btw, GO TRANSFORMERS XDDiTHLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162450340830094073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2214911996443844495.post-63649014452454029232009-05-17T00:20:00.000-07:002009-05-17T00:20:00.000-07:00Interesting? I have always been very staunched in ...Interesting? I have always been very staunched in my stand on homosexuality til recently when a friend of mine confessed that he is gay. It was then I relised how tactful one has to be in dealing with this delicate issue. <br />However, the Bible also says the message of the cross (the Word) is foolishness to the world, which means christians' view will be mocked and ridiculed , but we have to make our stand.OpaHmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07599315918607913398noreply@blogger.com